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Komemoracija i politi\u010dke podjele: dr\u017eavni vrh opet odvojeno na obilje\u017eavanju godi\u0161njice proboja zato\u010denika usta\u0161kog logora Jasenovac. Koliko je danas u hrvatskom dru\u0161tvu prisutna relativizacija zlo\u010dina\u010dkog karaktera NDH? Kakav je odgovor dr\u017eavnih institucija na takve pojave u javnom prostoru? To su pitanja o kojima se raspravljalo u emisiji “Otvoreno”. <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Gostovali su ministrica kulture i medija Nina Obuljen Kor\u017einek<\/strong>, potpredsjednik Hrvatskog sabora Furio Radin<\/strong>, Zlatko Hasanbegovi\u0107<\/strong> ispred Domovinskog pokreta, povjesni\u010dar Ivo Goldstein<\/strong> te akademik Zvonko Kusi\u0107<\/strong>, posebni savjetnik predsjednika Vlade za dru\u0161tvena pitanja.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ministrica Nina Obuljen Kor\u017einek na po\u010detku emisije komentirala je \u010dinjenicu da je ove godine na obilje\u017eavanju proboja iz Jasenovca bilo vi\u0161e delegacija. 

– Dana\u0161nji dan u cijelosti treba posvetiti sje\u0107anju na \u017ertve i iskazati osudu tih stra\u0161nih zlo\u010dina koji su se dogodili. Dana\u0161nji dan nije dan za podjele, to smo jasno komunicirali u Jasenovcu i tijekom dana u svim na\u0161im izjavama. Treba shvatiti kako se organizira komemoracija. Bilo je jasno da ne\u0107e biti programa kakav je uobi\u010dajen, poslani su pozivi svima onima kojima su i ina\u010de pozivani. Usmjereni smo na to da u dru\u0161tvu smanjujemo tenzije i da nalazimo to\u010dke zajedni\u0161tva. U tom smislu mi se smislu nikako mi se ne svi\u0111a \u0161to je izgovoreno protiv gospodina Habulina i protiv drugih, nije bilo niti vrijeme niti mjesto. 

Zvonko Kusi\u0107 isti\u010de da se pridaje prevelika pozornost “toj kao nekoj podjeli”.

– To je bilo i prije u raznim dr\u017eavnim, va\u017enim doga\u0111anjima, kada su bili i predsjednik Vlade i predsjednik RH iz stranke. Razli\u010dite delegacije ne pokazuju razli\u010diti stav prema doga\u0111aju. Jasenovac je jedan simbol i svi ovi koji su do\u0161li, oni imaju stav prema Jasenovcu i prema pijetetu koji treba iskazati. Mislim da se previ\u0161e bavimo time da nisu svi bili u istoj koloni, va\u017eno je poruka koja je poslana. Ovo nas samo zamara te se iz vida gubi \u017ertva kojoj smo se do\u0161li pokloniti. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Furio Radin slo\u017eio se s akademikom Kusi\u0107em da su svi imali isti stav prema \u017ealosti koja se treba pokazati te pijetetu prema \u017ertvama.

– Problem je \u0161to se delegacije me\u0111usobno ne sla\u017eu, ali ne bih tome pridavao preveliku pa\u017enju. U svakom slu\u010daju da takva tragedija bi zahtijevala da smo zajedno. Ina\u010de se sve politizira. Moja idealna situacija je da idu svi zajedno i da poslije nema nikakvih izjava. Niti o tome za\u0161to se i\u0161lo tamo, a pogotovo politi\u010dkih izjava.

“Jasenovac je na\u017ealost proteklih 76 godina politi\u010dka arena”<\/strong>

Zlatko Hasanbegovi\u0107 isti\u010de da bi to trebala biti gra\u0111ansko-vjerska komemoracija bez politi\u010dkih govora te bogoslu\u017ejem “razli\u010ditih koncepcija”, a zbog \u010dega je on bio napadan kada je bio ministar kulture.

– Ovo danas imali smo pro\u0161li put, imat \u0107emo sljede\u0107i put, sve dok ne dobijemo odgovornu dr\u017eavnu elitu. Treba na\u0107i komemorativni obrazac za obilje\u017eavanje razli\u010ditih traumati\u010dnih doga\u0111anja. Ovo \u0161to danas imamo je obezvrje\u0111ivanje \u017ertve i potomaka \u017ertava. Domovinski pokret u tom igrokazu nije sudjelovao.

Ivo Goldstein odgovorio je na pitanje voditelja kada \u0107e Jasenovac prestati biti tema politi\u010dkih prepucavanja.

– Jasenovac na\u017ealost proteklih 76 godina je politi\u010dka arena. Karte su se malo druga\u010dije promije\u0161ale u drugoj polovini 80-tih te onda nakon 1990. Jedna doli\u010dna, znanstvena prezentacija osnovnih \u010dinjenica jest da je to bio radni logor, ali prvenstveno nagla\u0161avam da se radilo o logoru smrti u kojem je \u017eivot izgubilo izme\u0111u 80 i 100 tisu\u0107a ljudi, pri \u010demu je Srba bilo najvi\u0161e, pa \u017didova i Roma podjednako te potom oko pet tisu\u0107a Hrvata. Jasenova\u010dka lokacija je najve\u0107e grobi\u0161te Hrvata u Drugom svjetskom ratu, ve\u0107a od Teznog i nekih drugih tamo oko Bleiburga, odnosno na Kri\u017enom putu. \u010cinjenica jest da je taj Jasenovac postao simbol stradavanja u Drugom svjetskom ratu. Na\u017ealost, u zadnjih 30 godina osnovne \u010dinjenice su pod pritiskom strana umanjivanja ili negiranja genocida ili uve\u0107avanja tih brojki, do 700 tisu\u0107a ili milijun. Ta osnovna poruka je bila i motor za agresiju na Hrvatsku 1991. godine. \u0160to je politika vi\u0161e upetljana u povijesna obja\u0161njenja utoliko gore po obje, taj brak je katastrofa. To je ono \u0161to bi trebalo prestati. 

– Mislim da postoji konsenzus najve\u0107eg broja politi\u010dkih dionika da povijest treba prepustiti povjesni\u010darima, mi kao Vlade trebamo raditi na obrazovanju i njegovanju kulture sje\u0107anja. Pokrenuli smo posjete \u0161kola Jasenovcu, na\u017ealost zaustavila nas je pandemija, ali vjerujem da \u0107e se to opet pokrenuti. Na\u017ealost postoje brojni dionici u politi\u010dkom \u017eivotu koji svoju politi\u010dku agendu grade na podjelama iz pro\u0161losti i stalno vra\u0107aju u javnost neke teme i proizvode situacije konflikta. Jasenovac je kori\u0161ten u vrijeme po\u010detka Domovinskog rata da bi se stigmatizirala Hrvatska, da bi se opravdali zlo\u010dini koji su se radili protiv hrvatskog naroda, isti\u010de ministrica Obuljen Kor\u017einek. 

Rasprava Goldsteina i Hasanbegovi\u0107a<\/strong>

Bleiburg i Jasenovac nisu isto i nikada nisu bili, smatra Ivo Goldstein.

– Bleiburg i Kri\u017eni put su ratni zlo\u010din i zlo\u010din protiv \u010dovje\u010dnosti, u onoj mjeri u kojoj su nevini de\u010dki 27. i 28. godi\u0161te ubijani bez suda. U onoj mjeri u kojoj je na Bleiburgu stradao niz usta\u0161kih zlo\u010dinaca, bilo da su ubijeni u bitkama na kraju rata, bilo da su likvidirani odmah po zarobljavanju ili dovedeni u Zagreb i osu\u0111eni na smrt, to nije ratni zlo\u010din. I radi tih ljudi ja ne\u0107u pustiti suzu, niti \u0107u zbog njih oti\u0107i na Bleiburg. Ovoj Vladi prigovaram da treba komemorirati Bleibur\u0161ke \u017ertve, ali Bleiburg i Kri\u017eni put s jedne i Jasenovac s druge strane nisu isti. 

Zlatko Hasanbegovi\u0107 je replicirao:

– Svaki doga\u0111aj je razli\u010dit. Bit je da se hrvatska politi\u010dka elita s jednakim pijetetom odnosi prema svakoj \u017ertvi. Oni koji relativiziraju jugoslavenske, komunisti\u010dke, masovne ratne i poratne zlo\u010dine nemaju moralno pravo postavljati se kao historiografski, politi\u010dki ili bilo kakav arbitar o svim traumama krvavog i te\u0161kog hrvatskog 20. stolje\u0107a, isti\u010de me\u0111u ostalim. 

Zvonko Kusi\u0107 odgovorio je na pitanje treba li zabraniti pokli\u010d “za dom spremni”. 

– To je pitanje sve ili ni\u0161ta, ili crno-bijelo. Trebamo ukupni kontekst. Vlada je osnovala ovo Vije\u0107e, a \u0161to se nije usudio nitko drugi. Prije nego \u0161to je Vije\u0107e po\u010delo raditi imali smo napade s lijeve i desne strane, gdje su unaprijed osudili rad Vije\u0107a. Sva obilje\u017eja NDH su osu\u0111ena, ali je izuzetak “za dom spremni” kod HOS-a jer je izostala slu\u017ebena reakcija dr\u017eave, bio je propust tada\u0161njih vlasti. U Ustavu imamo da je osu\u0111ena NDH, ali imamo i Domovinski rat. Branitelji su tako\u0111er ustavna vrednota. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

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