{"id":181722,"date":"2022-09-19T14:47:03","date_gmt":"2022-09-19T13:47:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/radioljubuski.ba\/?p=181722"},"modified":"2022-09-19T14:47:03","modified_gmt":"2022-09-19T13:47:03","slug":"cosic-reufe-imam-ponudu-za-vas-posaljite-mi-sporazum-tudman-milosevic-a-ja-cu-vama-sporazum-izetbegovic-krajisnik","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/radioljubuski.ba\/index.php\/2022\/09\/19\/cosic-reufe-imam-ponudu-za-vas-posaljite-mi-sporazum-tudman-milosevic-a-ja-cu-vama-sporazum-izetbegovic-krajisnik\/","title":{"rendered":"\u0106osi\u0107: \u201cReufe, imam ponudu za Vas. Po\u0161aljite mi sporazum Tu\u0111man \u2013 Milo\u0161evi\u0107, a ja \u0107u Vama sporazum Izetbegovi\u0107 \u2013 Kraji\u0161nik\u2026\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Reuf Bajrovi\u0107, bo\u0161nja\u010dki nacionalist, lobist i intelektualac, ove nedjelje je gost sesije Kruga 99, a tema je upravo famozno Kara\u0111or\u0111evo, to\u010dnije, naziv sesije je: \u201cSuvremena politika Hrvatske i obnova dogovora iz Kara\u0111or\u0111eva\u201d.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Kara\u0111or\u0111evo je jedan od sredi\u0161njih mitova bo\u0161nja\u010dke propagande o famoznom dogovoru o podjeli Bosne i Hercegovine izme\u0111u Slobodana Milo\u0161evi\u0107a i Franje Tu\u0111mana.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Glavni izvor za sve ono \u0161to se danas interpretira kao navodni dogovor Milo\u0161evi\u0107a i Tu\u0111mana je ono \u0161to je svojevremeno pri\u010dao biv\u0161i predsjednik Hrvatske Stipe Mesi\u0107 da se u Kara\u0111or\u0111evu dogovorilo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">To \u0161to Mesi\u0107 nije ni bio na tom sastanku \u2013 interpretatorima ne smeta. Mitom iz Kara\u0111or\u0111eva danas se slu\u017ebe bo\u0161nja\u010dki nacionalisti i dio hrvatskih ljevi\u010dara koji su u odre\u0111enim situacijama nakon 2000. djelovali simbiozno i gotovo sinkronizirano, ali je to postala stvar pro\u0161losti i svelo se na rijetke izlete neupu\u0107enih i(li) zlobnih mo\u017eema\u0161a i zaboravljenih ljevi\u010darskih novinara s obzirom na to da je hrvatska ljevica, ipak, koliko-toliko nacionalno svjesna.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Uz pomo\u0107 ljudi poput aktualnog predsjednika Hrvatske Zorana Milanovi\u0107a, hrvatski ljevi\u010dari su shvatili da je problematika Hrvata BiH, iako u drugoj dr\u017eavi, ipak nacionalno pitanje Republike Hrvatske. A s nacionalnim pitanjima nitko se ne kocka \u2013 pa ni ljevica u Hrvatskoj.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Glede same teme, mit Kara\u0111or\u0111eva ne treba posebno demistificirati jer je on mit pa je to suvi\u0161no, ali je va\u017eno svako toliko ponoviti kako je jedini \u017eivi svjedok vremena i interpretator tamo\u0161njih doga\u0111aja Stjepan Mesi\u0107 koji u Kara\u0111or\u0111evu nije ni bio. Problem s mitovima je taj \u0161to oni, ako ih se na vrijeme ne raskrinka, postanu jako politi\u010dko oru\u017eje.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Reuf Bajrovi\u0107, bo\u0161nja\u010dki nacionalist, lobist i intelektualac, ove nedjelje je gost sesije Kruga 99, a tema je upravo famozno Kara\u0111or\u0111evo, to\u010dnije, naziv sesije je: \u201cSuvremena politika Hrvatske i obnova dogovora iz Kara\u0111or\u0111eva\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u0160to je Krug 99? Rije\u010d je o skupini bo\u0161nja\u010dkih nacionalista i intelektualaca koji zasjedaju svake nedjelje, odr\u017eavaju sesije i uglavnom nude protuustavna rje\u0161enja za ustroj BiH poput ukidanja konstitutivnosti, uvo\u0111enja nadnacionalnog bosanskog identiteta i tomu sli\u010dno. Svoj se svome raduje ili gdje \u0107e suza nego na oko, ka\u017eu ljudi, pa je tako i Bajrovi\u0107 danas gost Kruga 99, pi\u0161e <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bild.ba\/nase-price\/pogledajte-kako-je-cosic-argumentom-zacepio-usta-reufu-bajrovicu-tema-je-naravno-karadordevo\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Bild.ba<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">To je najavio na svom Twitteru na \u0161to mu je Zdenko \u0106osi\u0107, premijer \u017dupanije zapadnohercegova\u010dke i dopredsjednik HDZ BiH napisao: \u201cReufe, imam ponudu za Vas: Uskoro sudjelujem na okruglom stolu na sli\u010dnu temu. Bilo bi mi od pomo\u0107i ako mi po\u0161aljete taj sporazum o podjeli BiH Tu\u0111man-Milo\u0161evi\u0107. Ja \u0107u Vama zauzvrat poslati sporazum o podjeli BiH Izetbegovi\u0107-Kraji\u0161nik. Mo\u017ee?\u201c, napisao je \u0106osi\u0107 referiraju\u0107i se na sporazum u kojem je Alija, za razliku od Milo\u0161evi\u0107a i Tu\u0111mana, zaista potpisao sporazum koji de iure i de facto omogu\u0107uje podjelu BiH.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\"><p lang=\"und\" dir=\"ltr\">Reufe, imam ponudu za Vas: Uskoro sudjelujem na okruglom stolu na sli\u010dnu temu. Bilo bi mi od pomo\u0107i ako mi po\u0161aljete taj sporazum o podjeli BiH Tu\u0111man-Milo\u0161evi\u0107. Ja \u0107u Vana za uzvrat poslati sporazum o podjeli BiH Izetbegovi\u0107-Krai\u0161nik. Mo\u017ee?<\/p>&mdash; zdenko \u0107osi\u0107 (@zdenkocosic) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/zdenkocosic\/status\/1571153876199374853?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">September 17, 2022<\/a><\/blockquote> <script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script> \n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Na \u0106osi\u0107evu prozivku Bajrovi\u0107 nije odgovorio ni\u0161ta. U BiH tako i dan danas, 30 godina nakon rata, imamo situaciju da se o ne\u010demu \u0161to je mit u svakom smislu te rije\u010di pri\u010da javno, na taj mit se referira i taj mit se uzima kao polazi\u0161na to\u010dka i argument svega onog \u0161to bo\u0161nja\u010dki nacionalisti rade Hrvatima. S druge strane, ne\u0161to \u0161to nije mit, za \u0161to postoje jasni dokazi, gdje je vidljivo da se dogovor o podjeli zbio i \u010dak \u201cbacio na papir\u201d, u potpunosti pada u drugi plan.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">O Kara\u0111or\u0111evu je 2006. godine svoj sud dao i Borisav Jovi\u0107, posljednji predsjednik Predsjedni\u0161tva SFRJ. U razgovoru za Ve\u010dernji list, kojeg je s njim upravo vodio Zdenko \u0106osi\u0107, Jovi\u0107 je iznio svoju verziju onoga o \u010demu se razgovaralo u Kara\u0111or\u0111evu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cNa sastanku u Kara\u0111or\u0111evu trebali smo biti ja i Mesi\u0107, Tu\u0111man i Milo\u0161evi\u0107. Ja sam bio protiv toga sastanka. Rekao sam Milo\u0161evi\u0107u da je Tu\u0111man tra\u017eio taj sastanak preko Mesi\u0107a kod mene. Mesi\u0107 mi je rekao kako oni \u017eele da se na\u0111emo, da vidimo \u0161to \u0107emo u\u010diniti. Ja sam to prenio Milo\u0161evi\u0107u i rekao mu kako smatram da ne trebamo i\u0107i na taj sastanak. To je \u010disto gubljenje vremena. Jednostavno, ne mo\u017eemo mi ni\u0161ta rije\u0161iti na taj na\u010din u \u010detiri oka. Postoje institucije za to. Milo\u0161evi\u0107 je oti\u0161ao sam. Vjerojatno je Milo\u0161evi\u0107 nazvao Tu\u0111mana i rekao: Boro ne\u0107e pa nemoj ni Mesi\u0107a dovoditi\u201d, rekao je Jovi\u0107 tada Ve\u010dernjem listu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Upitan je li se u Kara\u0111or\u0111evu dogovarala podjela Bosne i Hercegovine, Jovi\u0107 ka\u017ee: \u201cMilo\u0161evi\u0107 mi je rekao o \u010demu se razgovaralo. \u010cim se vratio, pozvao me i rekao: \u201cOdr\u017eao sam ja taj sastanak s Franjom, a razgovarali smo jedino o tome da smijenimo Antu Markovi\u0107a. On se sla\u017ee, ali ne mo\u017eemo dobiti podr\u0161ku drugih republika i digli smo ruke od toga\u201d. Ni\u0161ta drugo nije mi spomenuo\u201d, rekao je Jovi\u0107.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\/HMS\/<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Reuf Bajrovi\u0107, bo\u0161nja\u010dki nacionalist, lobist i intelektualac, ove nedjelje je gost sesije Kruga 99, a tema je upravo famozno Kara\u0111or\u0111evo, to\u010dnije, naziv sesije je: \u201cSuvremena politika Hrvatske i obnova dogovora iz Kara\u0111or\u0111eva\u201d. Kara\u0111or\u0111evo je jedan od sredi\u0161njih mitova bo\u0161nja\u010dke propagande o famoznom dogovoru o podjeli Bosne i Hercegovine izme\u0111u Slobodana Milo\u0161evi\u0107a i Franje Tu\u0111mana. 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