{"id":54197,"date":"2021-08-17T12:56:06","date_gmt":"2021-08-17T11:56:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/radioljubuski.ba\/?p=54197"},"modified":"2021-08-17T12:56:08","modified_gmt":"2021-08-17T11:56:08","slug":"evo-kako-goldstein-komentira-tekst-jerusalem-posta-iskopavanjem-leseva-se-nista-nece-postici","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/radioljubuski.ba\/index.php\/2021\/08\/17\/evo-kako-goldstein-komentira-tekst-jerusalem-posta-iskopavanjem-leseva-se-nista-nece-postici\/","title":{"rendered":"Evo kako Goldstein komentira tekst Jerusalem Posta: \u2018Iskopavanjem le\u0161eva se ni\u0161ta ne\u0107e posti\u0107i\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><strong>Prof. dr. Ivo Goldstein<\/strong> koji je prozvan od strane autora<strong> Davida Goldmana<\/strong> u Jerusalem Postu za <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vecernji.hr\/vijesti\/goldstein-tekst-u-u-jerusalem-postu-je-hrpa-besmislica-i-lazi-a-autor-mi-je-nepoznat-1515905\">Ve\u010dernji list<\/a> ka\u017ee kako je vidio sporni tekst i kako je rije\u010d o hrpi besmislica i la\u017ei, kao i uvreda na njegov ra\u010dun.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201eGoldman nije objavio tekst u Jerusalem Post-u, ve\u0107 samo pismo \u010ditatelja. Meni i drugim informiranim ljudima iz struke taj je \u010dovjek posve nepoznat. On ni\u0161ta o tome \u0161to pi\u0161e ne zna i ne znam jel toga svjestan ili nije. Netko mu je dostavio posve isfabricirane \u010dinjenice. Radi se o diskusiji koja se vodi zadnjih nekoliko godina o tome kako dokazati to\u010dan broj \u017ertava u Jasenovcu. Radikalna revizionisti\u010dka i prousta\u0161ka desnica tvrdi da to valja u\u010diniti iskopavanjem le\u0161eva, \u0161to je besmislica, i ja to dokazujem na mnogo mjesta u mojoj knjizi \u2018Jasenovac\u2019 iz 2018. godine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Goldman u svom pismu tvrdi da su tijekom iskopavanja u Jasenovcu prona\u0111eni ostaci svega nekoliko tisu\u0107a \u017ertava. To je to\u010dno, jer su rekognosciranja i iskopavanja izvr\u0161ena samo na manjem dijelu Gradine, gdje su masovne grobnice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Izme\u0111u ostaloga, iskopavanjem le\u0161eva se ni\u0161ta ne\u0107e posti\u0107i, jer su istra\u017eiva\u010di ve\u0107 1964., otkapaju\u0107i neke grobnice, ustanovili kako su mnogi le\u0161evi ve\u0107 \u2018istrulili i raspali se\u2019, ili kako se \u2018ljudsko tkivo pretvorilo u sapunastu masu \u017eu\u0107kasto-naran\u010daste boje\u2019. Rezultat je to i uzastopnih poplava nedalekih Save i Une svih ovih godina. Danas, gotovo 80 godina nakon tih ubojstava, na\u0161lo bi se jo\u0161 bitno manje.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Brojni svjedoci tvrde da su se od 6. i 7. travnja 1945. \u201cna vrat na nos prekapala jasenova\u010dka groblja, iskapale lje\u0161ine i kosturi \u017ertava, te ih se spaljivalo na loma\u010dama\u201d. Zato\u010denici su iskopali jame \u201cpreko kojih su postavljene gvozdene traverze, a na njih debeli pleh\u201d, potom i burad s naftom. Le\u0161evi bi se stavljali na pleh, a dovo\u0111eni su i \u017eivi zato\u010denici, koji su tu \u201czaklani i bili ba\u010deni na pleh. Sve bi ih polili naftom, a nakon \u0161to se od pepela izgorjelih le\u0161ina jama napuni, onda se prelazi nad drugu jamu\u201d, itd. \u010cak je bila izgra\u0111ena i uskotra\u010dna pruga kojom su vagoneti s pepelom i posmrtnim ostacima dovo\u017eeni na obalu i bacani u Savu. \u201cDanima se crni dim zgari\u0161ta ljudskih ostataka dizao u nebo i svjedo\u010dio o uni\u0161tavanju tragova zlo\u010dina\u201d. I usta\u0161e su poslije rata svjedo\u010dile o tom spaljivanju le\u0161eva. Uostalom, postoje i snimke koje je napravilo britansko zrakoplovstvo tih dana na kojima se jasno vide tragovi tih akcija.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/narod.hr\/hrvatska\/igor-vukic-za-narod-hr-autor-clanka-u-jp-primjecuje-da-goldsteinovo-produciranje-lazi-posredno-nanosi-stetu-zidovskoj-zajednici\"><strong>&gt; Igor Vuki\u0107 za Narod.hr: \u2018Autor \u010dlanka u JP primje\u0107uje da Goldsteinovo produciranje la\u017ei posredno nanosi \u0161tetu \u017eidovskoj zajednici\u2019<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/narod.hr\/hrvatska\/jerusalem-post-dotaknuo-se-goldsteinove-drobilice-kostiju-evo-sto-je-dr-sc-geiger-pisao-o-tome\"><strong>&gt; Jerusalem Post dotaknuo se Goldsteinove \u2018drobilice kostiju\u2019: Evo \u0161to je dr. sc. Geiger pisao o tome<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Goldstein obja\u0161njava kako je u TV-emisiji Nedjeljom u 2 iznio tezu da su le\u0161evi uni\u0161tavani i spravom za mljevenje kostiju \u0161to su nacisti radili u logorima u sklopu op\u0107epoznate \u201eAkcije 1005\u201c, a usta\u0161e su, to nije nikakva tajna, i u tom pogledu usko sura\u0111ivali su nacistima.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cGoldman ponavlja tezu hrvatske radikalne desnice da je popis \u017ertava koji postoji u Jasenovcu od 83.145 stradalih u Jasenovcu, govori o \u201enavodnim \u017ertvama\u201c. Tvrdi da Jad Va\u0161em i US Holocaust Memorial desetlje\u0107ima \u0161ute o tome, \u0161to je la\u017e, jer ova dva muzeja apsolutno podr\u017eavaju ono \u0161to i kako rade jasenova\u010dki kustosi ve\u0107 dugi niz godina. Kretenarije o tome kako ja \u201eismijavam\u201c Holokaust ne\u0107u ni komentirati.\u201d, izjavljuje Goldstein.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dodaje kako mu je nevjerojatno da je Jerusalem Post objavio takav \u010dlanak, ali i da su o\u010dito shvatili gre\u0161ku i \u0161tetu koju su napravili s obzirom da ga je glavni urednik Yaakov Katz zamolio da napi\u0161e odgovor koji \u0107e uskoro objaviti, pi\u0161e Ve\u010dernji list.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Podsjetimo, tekst nezavisnog novinara Davida Goldmana, nedavno objavljen u Jerusalem Postu pokazuje kako \u017eidovski povjesni\u010dari i sociolozi posjeduju visoku razinu svijesti o postojanju tendencija da se<strong> \u017ertva \u017eidovskoga naroda, podnesena tijekom Drugoga svjetskog rata, postupno pripi\u0161e \u2013 Srbima.<\/strong> Ove tendencije oni to\u010dno nazivaju antisemitizmom, \u010diji se porast zamje\u0107uje kako na globalnoj razini, tako i na specifi\u010dan na\u010din u hrvatskom dru\u0161tvu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ono \u0161to \u017eidovska sociologinja Lea David, ali i drugi \u017eidovski povjesni\u010dari nazivaju \u201c<strong>kra\u0111om Holokausta<\/strong>\u201d posebno je vidljivo na primjeru&nbsp;<strong>logora Jasenovac<\/strong>&nbsp;u kojem se, osim preuveli\u010davanja broja \u017ertava, svjesno&nbsp;<strong>manipulira pojmom holokausta<\/strong>&nbsp;koji se tako ne pripisuje vi\u0161e \u017didovima, nego&nbsp;<strong>Srbima<\/strong>. Tom narativu \u2013 kojeg promovira&nbsp;<strong>srpsko politi\u010dko vodstvo i Srpska pravoslavna Crkva<\/strong>&nbsp;\u2013 doprinosi i hrvatski povjesni\u010dar&nbsp;<strong>Ivo Goldstein<\/strong>&nbsp;koji ustraje u preuveli\u010davanju \u017ertava, emocionalno i ideolo\u0161ki pristrano pristupa temi logora Jasenovac i dovodi u opasnost znanstvenu to\u010dnost informacija koju plasira u javnost \u2013 poput \u2018<strong>drobilice kostiju<\/strong>\u2018.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201c\u010clanak Jerusalem Posta je jo\u0161 jedna potvrda na\u0161eg stava kako samo to\u010dne i provjerljive \u010dinjenice o Jasenovcu i drugim doga\u0111ajima iz Drugog svjetskog rata mogu dovesti do njihova realnog prikazivanja i razumijevanja konteksta u kojem su se dogodili. (\u2026) Gotovo svaki dan negdje u nekom arhivu poneko od \u010dlanova na\u0161e mre\u017ee nezavisnih istra\u017eiva\u010da prona\u0111e kakav novi dokument ili podatak koji nas pribli\u017eava jasnijoj slici zbivanja u Jasenovcu. Ne\u0161to od toga odmah objavimo putem dru\u0161tvenih mre\u017ea, a ne\u0161to spremamo za zbirke dokumenata koje \u0107emo uskoro objaviti. \u010clanci poput ovoga Davida Goldmana nas svakako ohrabruju u tim na\u0161im nastojanjima.\u201d, istaknuo je u intervjuu za Narod.hr u ponedjeljak hrvatski povjesni\u010dar, novinar i publicist <strong>Igor Vuki\u0107<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>\u017didovski znanstvenici svjesni da im srpska mitomanija \u2018krade Holokaust\u2019<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Goldman se u Jerusalem Postu osvrnuo na Goldesteinove izjave koje doprinose \u0161irenju skepse prema holokaustu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cU vrijeme kada antisemitizam raste eksponencijalno, pri \u010demu svaki \u010detvrti ameri\u010dki milenijalac (ljudi ro\u0111enih izme\u0111u 1978. i 2000. godine) vjeruje da je holokaust la\u017eiran, dok ne\u0161to vi\u0161e od polovice Nijemaca vjeruje kako \u017didovi pretjeruju s pri\u010dom o holokaustu, Goldsteinova tvrdnja da je, dok je Berlin ruskim topni\u0161tvom pretvaran u pepeo, Adolf Hitler na\u0161ao vremena slati na nekakav Balkan, spravu za uni\u0161tavanje kostiju \u2013 je posljednja stvar koja je \u017didovima trenutno potrebna. Za koju ina\u010de nitko nikada ondje nije \u010duo\u201d, pi\u0161e Goldman za&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.jpost.com\/opinion\/this-disgraceful-mocking-of-the-holocaust-needs-to-stop-now-676707?fbclid=IwAR0oqZ7St0qdEAebcDLvQpzDdcET8P23BkYGXoXtTCl8SUn4TGv9rTJH_zs\">Jerusalem Post<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ovakav poguban narativ Goldman je s pravom nazvao ugrozom i kontaminacijom povijesti holokausta, prozvav\u0161i ameri\u010dki&nbsp;<strong>Muzej holokausta ali i Yad Vashem<\/strong>&nbsp;zbog \u0161utnje nad \u010dinjenicom da&nbsp;<strong>jasenova\u010dki muzej koji koristi snimke Treblinke ili snimke iz Ukrajine i Poljske<\/strong>, kao potkrepu preuveli\u010danih tvrdnji o broju \u017ertava.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Goldsteinovu tezu o \u2018<strong>drobilici kostiju<\/strong>\u2018 zapisanu u njegovoj knjizi o logoru Jasenovac (izdana 2018.), ali izre\u010denu i za tjednik Globus te opetovanu u emisiji Nedjeljom u 2, komentirao je i&nbsp;<strong>dr. sc. Vladimir Geiger<\/strong>&nbsp;s Hrvatskog instituta za povijest. U&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/hrcak.srce.hr\/index.php?show=clanak&amp;id_clanak_jezik=321788\">recenziji<\/a>&nbsp;spomeute Goldsteinove knjige Geiger se osvrnuo na manjak, odnosno nepostojanje forenzi\u010dkih dokaza kojima bi se mogle potvrditi ove Goldsteinove tvrdnje.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Izvor: narod.hr\/Ve\u010dernji list<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Prof. dr. Ivo Goldstein koji je prozvan od strane autora Davida Goldmana u Jerusalem Postu za Ve\u010dernji list ka\u017ee kako je vidio sporni tekst i kako je rije\u010d o hrpi besmislica i la\u017ei, kao i uvreda na njegov ra\u010dun. \u201eGoldman nije objavio tekst u Jerusalem Post-u, ve\u0107 samo pismo \u010ditatelja. 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