{"id":56889,"date":"2021-08-24T10:43:13","date_gmt":"2021-08-24T09:43:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/radioljubuski.ba\/?p=56889"},"modified":"2021-08-24T10:43:14","modified_gmt":"2021-08-24T09:43:14","slug":"goldstein-se-pita-je-li-jugoslavenski-rezim-bio-totalitaran","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/radioljubuski.ba\/index.php\/2021\/08\/24\/goldstein-se-pita-je-li-jugoslavenski-rezim-bio-totalitaran\/","title":{"rendered":"Goldstein se pita je li \u2018jugoslavenski re\u017eim bio totalitaran?\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Povjesni\u010dar Ivo Goldstein gostovao je u <a href=\"https:\/\/hr.n1info.com\/vijesti\/goldstein-vlada-nije-zabranila-zds-jer-nemaju-hrabrosti-lupiti-sakom-po-stolu\/\">Dnevniku N1 Televizije<\/a> te je govorio o pozdravu \u201c<strong>Za dom spremni\u201d<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Komentirao je poteze vladaju\u0107ih na dana\u0161nji dan kada se obilje\u017eava <strong>Europski dan sje\u0107anja na \u017ertve svih totalitarnih i autoritarnih re\u017eima.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cJa mislim da na\u017ealost ovaj dan, koji je mogao poslu\u017eiti da se kulture sje\u0107anja uravnote\u017euju, da se ide prema nekom smirenju, pridonose novom razbukatavanju polemika koje ne vode nikuda. Prvo i osnovno problem je zvati to komunisti\u010dkim zlo\u010dinima, je li taj jugoslavenski re\u017eim bio totalitaran? Mo\u017eemo govoriti da je bio do 1950., no nakon toga nije.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u010citav niz pitanja otvara komemoriranje ovog dana koji su u europsku kulturu sje\u0107anja uvele zemlje koje su imale malo druga\u010diju povijest od nas. Hrvatska u Jugoslaviji je ipak nakon 48., 50. imala druga\u010diju pri\u010du. Razli\u010diti sudionici ovih doga\u0111anja govorili su, <strong>Bla\u017eenko Boban<\/strong> rekao je da je najgori od totalitarnih re\u017eima bio komunisti\u010dki jer je najdu\u017ee trajao, to je potpuno besmisleno i \u010dovjek na toj poziciji bi trebao paziti na vrijednost i te\u017einu svojih izjava, ali mi smo svjedoci da ova garnitura koja to sada komemorira to radi na lo\u0161 i vrlo neodgovoran na\u010din\u201d, rekao je.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Dodaje i kako polaganje vijenca na grobnici narodnih heroja, \u0161to je ministar Medved rekao da je u\u010dinio, ne mo\u017ee biti ekvivalent odlasku u Jasenovac.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cGrobnica narodnih heroja ima posve drugo zna\u010denje i posve druga\u010diju poruku, ona se mo\u017ee posjetiti i mogu se tamo polo\u017eiti vijenci na druge datume, ne na ovaj, nego na recimo Dan pobjede, to je primjeren datum kada se pola\u017eu vijenci na tom mjestu\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>\u201cU posebnim okolnostima dozvoliti kori\u0161tenje ZDS-a\u201d<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Govorio je i preporukama <strong>Vije\u0107a za suo\u010davanje s pro\u0161lo\u0161\u0107u<\/strong>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cJa sam bio jedan od 17 \u010dlanova tog vije\u0107a, ima tri i pol godine kako su ti zaklju\u010dci doneseni, to je tzv. Dokument dijaloga, na interentu je i svatko ga mo\u017ee \u010ditati. U ove tri godine ima niz nesporazuma i nepoznavanja tog dokumenta i onda ga se krivo citira. Smjernice su jasne i one ka\u017eu da bi Vlada na osnovu neosporne \u010dinjenice da je \u2018Za dom spremni\u2019 poziv na zlo\u010din iz mr\u017enje i da bi to trebao biti zabranjeni pozdrav, u posebnim okolnostima, posebnom zakonskom odredbom trebala odlu\u010diti da se taj \u2018Za dom spremni\u2019 u nekim situacijama mo\u017ee koristiti.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">U situacijama kada se komemoriraju branitelji koji su pali pod tim znakovljem, dakle, oni koji su se borlili u jedinicama HOS-a. To zna\u010di da je Vlada u ove tri godine trebala donijeti odre\u0111ene zakonske odredbe. Vlada to nije u\u010dinila. Smisao preporuke je bio da se svaki puta, kada se tra\u017ei komemoracija za pripadnike HOS-a, koji su stradali za Hrvatsku, to odbori. Ja bih molio da se ne dezinterpretira, pogotovo potpredsjednik Vlade, to \u0161to smo mi donijeli\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Na pitanje \u0161to misli za\u0161to Vlada nije donijela zakonsku odredbu, ka\u017ee:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201c<strong>Vlada<\/strong> to nije donijela jer su oklijevala, zato \u0161to nemaju hrabrosti lupiti \u0161akom po stolu i napraviti ono \u0161to bi morali, a to je zabraniti ili u posebnim slu\u010dajevima dozvoliti \u2018Za dom spremni\u2019, a u svim ostalim slu\u010dajevima sankcionirati. Mislim da je potpuno skandalozno da su pripadnici vojnih snaga skidali odore i ostajali u majicama \u2018Za dom spremni\u2019, to je i protuzakonitno. Ja bih volio znati \u0161to se u liberalnoj demokratskoj dr\u017eavi, koja po\u0161tuje svoje zakone treba napraviti? Dakle, nepo\u0161tivanje zakona se treba sankcionirati. To se ne \u010dini i od tuda svi problemi i sva pri\u010da kojoj smo mi svi \u017ertve, ne tri godine, koliko postoje te preporuke, nego puno dulje\u201d, zaklju\u010dio je.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Goldstein u centru pozornosti<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Podsjetimo, posljednjih dana Goldstein je u censtru pozornosti. \u010clanak australskog novinara koji se bavi razotkrivanjem nacisti\u010dkih simpatizera i neonacista Davida Goldmana \u201eThis disgraceful mocking of the Holocaust needs to stop now\u201c (\u201eOvo sramotno ismijavanje holokausta mora prestati sada\u201c), objavljen u mre\u017enom izdanju lista <a href=\"https:\/\/www.jpost.com\/opinion\/this-disgraceful-mocking-of-the-holocaust-needs-to-stop-now-676707\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Jerusalem post<\/em><\/a>, jo\u0161 je jednom potaknuo u hrvatskoj javnosti raspravu o problematici Jasenovca i ukazao na dvojbeni pristup toj temi od strane povjesni\u010dara Ive Goldsteina. Tekst nezavisnog novinara Davida Goldmana, upozorava kako se<strong>&nbsp;\u017ertva \u017eidovskoga naroda, podnesena tijekom Drugoga svjetskog rata, postupno pripisuje \u2013 Srbima.<\/strong>&nbsp;Ove tendencije oni to\u010dno nazivaju antisemitizmom, \u010diji se porast zamje\u0107uje kako na globalnoj razini, tako i na specifi\u010dan na\u010din u hrvatskom dru\u0161tvu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Prof. dr. Ivo Goldstein<\/strong>&nbsp;koji je prozvan od strane autora<strong>&nbsp;Davida Goldmana<\/strong>&nbsp;u Jerusalem Postu za&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.vecernji.hr\/vijesti\/goldstein-tekst-u-u-jerusalem-postu-je-hrpa-besmislica-i-lazi-a-autor-mi-je-nepoznat-1515905\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Ve\u010dernji list<\/a>&nbsp; ustvrdio je kako je rije\u010d o hrpi besmislica i la\u017ei, kao i uvreda na njegov ra\u010dun.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Goldstein obja\u0161njava kako je u TV-emisiji Nedjeljom u 2 iznio tezu da su le\u0161evi uni\u0161tavani i spravom za mljevenje kostiju \u0161to su nacisti radili u logorima u sklopu op\u0107epoznate \u201eAkcije 1005\u201c, a usta\u0161e su, to nije nikakva tajna i u tom pogledu usko sura\u0111ivali su nacistima.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cGoldman ponavlja tezu hrvatske radikalne desnice da je popis \u017ertava koji postoji u Jasenovcu od 83.145 stradalih u Jasenovcu, govori o \u201enavodnim \u017ertvama\u201c. Tvrdi da Jad Va\u0161em i US Holocaust Memorial desetlje\u0107ima \u0161ute o tome, \u0161to je la\u017e, jer ova dva muzeja apsolutno podr\u017eavaju ono \u0161to i kako rade jasenova\u010dki kustosi ve\u0107 dugi niz godina. Kretenarije o tome kako ja \u201eismijavam\u201c Holokaust ne\u0107u ni komentirati.\u201d, izjavljuje Goldstein.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ono \u0161to \u017eidovska sociologinja Lea David, ali i drugi \u017eidovski povjesni\u010dari nazivaju \u201c<strong>kra\u0111om Holokausta<\/strong>\u201d posebno je vidljivo na primjeru&nbsp;<strong>logora Jasenovac<\/strong>&nbsp;u kojem se, osim preuveli\u010davanja broja \u017ertava, svjesno&nbsp;<strong>manipulira pojmom holokausta<\/strong>&nbsp;koji se tako ne pripisuje vi\u0161e \u017didovima, nego&nbsp;<strong>Srbima<\/strong>. Tom narativu \u2013 kojeg promovira&nbsp;<strong>srpsko politi\u010dko vodstvo i Srpska pravoslavna Crkva<\/strong>&nbsp;\u2013 doprinosi i hrvatski povjesni\u010dar&nbsp;<strong>Ivo Goldstein<\/strong>&nbsp;koji ustraje u preuveli\u010davanju \u017ertava, emocionalno i ideolo\u0161ki pristrano pristupa temi logora Jasenovac i dovodi u opasnost znanstvenu to\u010dnost informacija koju plasira u javnost \u2013 poput \u2018<strong>drobilice kostiju<\/strong>\u2018.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201c\u010clanak Jerusalem Posta je jo\u0161 jedna potvrda na\u0161eg stava kako samo to\u010dne i provjerljive \u010dinjenice o Jasenovcu i drugim doga\u0111ajima iz Drugog svjetskog rata mogu dovesti do njihova realnog prikazivanja i razumijevanja konteksta u kojem su se dogodili. (\u2026) Gotovo svaki dan negdje u nekom arhivu poneko od \u010dlanova na\u0161e mre\u017ee nezavisnih istra\u017eiva\u010da prona\u0111e kakav novi dokument ili podatak koji nas pribli\u017eava jasnijoj slici zbivanja u Jasenovcu. Ne\u0161to od toga odmah objavimo putem dru\u0161tvenih mre\u017ea, a ne\u0161to spremamo za zbirke dokumenata koje \u0107emo uskoro objaviti. \u010clanci poput ovoga Davida Goldmana nas svakako ohrabruju u tim na\u0161im nastojanjima.\u201d, istaknuo je u intervjuu za Narod.hr u ponedjeljak hrvatski povjesni\u010dar, novinar i publicist&nbsp;<strong>Igor Vuki\u0107<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>\u017didovski znanstvenici svjesni da im srpska mitomanija \u2018krade Holokaust\u2019<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Goldman se u Jerusalem Postu osvrnuo na Goldesteinove izjave koje doprinose \u0161irenju skepse prema holokaustu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cU vrijeme kada antisemitizam raste eksponencijalno, pri \u010demu svaki \u010detvrti ameri\u010dki milenijalac (ljudi ro\u0111enih izme\u0111u 1978. i 2000. godine) vjeruje da je holokaust la\u017eiran, dok ne\u0161to vi\u0161e od polovice Nijemaca vjeruje kako \u017didovi pretjeruju s pri\u010dom o holokaustu, Goldsteinova tvrdnja da je, dok je Berlin ruskim topni\u0161tvom pretvaran u pepeo, Adolf Hitler na\u0161ao vremena slati na nekakav Balkan, spravu za uni\u0161tavanje kostiju \u2013 je posljednja stvar koja je \u017didovima trenutno potrebna. Za koju ina\u010de nitko nikada ondje nije \u010duo\u201d, pi\u0161e Goldman za&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.jpost.com\/opinion\/this-disgraceful-mocking-of-the-holocaust-needs-to-stop-now-676707?fbclid=IwAR0oqZ7St0qdEAebcDLvQpzDdcET8P23BkYGXoXtTCl8SUn4TGv9rTJH_zs\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Jerusalem Post<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ovakav poguban narativ Goldman je s pravom nazvao ugrozom i kontaminacijom povijesti holokausta, prozvav\u0161i ameri\u010dki&nbsp;<strong>Muzej holokausta ali i Yad Vashem<\/strong>&nbsp;zbog \u0161utnje nad \u010dinjenicom da&nbsp;<strong>jasenova\u010dki muzej koji koristi snimke Treblinke ili snimke iz Ukrajine i Poljske<\/strong>, kao potkrepu preuveli\u010danih tvrdnji o broju \u017ertava.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Goldsteinovu tezu o \u2018<strong>drobilici kostiju<\/strong>\u2018 zapisanu u njegovoj knjizi o logoru Jasenovac (izdana 2018.), ali izre\u010denu i za tjednik Globus te opetovanu u emisiji Nedjeljom u 2, komentirao je i&nbsp;<strong>dr. sc. Vladimir Geiger<\/strong>&nbsp;s Hrvatskog instituta za povijest. U&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/hrcak.srce.hr\/index.php?show=clanak&amp;id_clanak_jezik=321788\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">recenziji<\/a>&nbsp;spomenute Goldsteinove knjige Geiger se osvrnuo na manjak, odnosno nepostojanje forenzi\u010dkih dokaza kojima bi se mogle potvrditi ove Goldsteinove tvrdnje.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201eNa samom kraju rata, po\u010detkom travnja 1945., vratilo se nekoliko najvi\u0111enijih jasenova\u010dkih kolja\u010da nakon dvije-dvije i pol godine u Jasenovac, jer su znali to\u010dno pozicije masovnih grobnica. Zapovijed je glasila da se \u2018tragovi grobova imaju uni\u0161titi po svaku cijenu\u2019. U Gradini, na desnoj obali Save, tih je dana oko 500 logora\u0161a \u2018spaljivalo le\u0161eve i kamufliralo masovne grobnice\u2019. Na \u017eeljeznim traverzama (koje su neki nazivali \u2018ro\u0161tiljem\u2019) le\u0161evi su spaljivani, pa je u grobnice vra\u0107an pepeo. \u2018Danima se crni dim zgari\u0161ta ljudskih ostataka dizao u nebo\u2019, zapisali su svjedoci. Osim toga, iz Reicha su dovezeni strojevi koji su lomili kosti le\u0161eva. Kada su patolozi 1964. otvorili neke grobnice, ustanovili su kako su mnogi le\u0161evi ve\u0107 \u2018istrulili i raspali se\u2019 te kako se ponegdje \u2018ljudsko tkivo pretvorilo u sapunastu masu \u017eu\u0107kasto-naran\u010daste boje\u2019. A \u0161to bi se na\u0161lo danas, 75 godina nakon zlo\u010dina?\u201d, citirao je dr. Geiger Goldsteinovu izjavu.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cPri\u010du o navodnim posebnim strojevima iz Njema\u010dkog Reicha kojima su u Jasenovcu lomili kosti le\u0161eva, usitnjavali ih, i tako prikrili zlo\u010din, Goldstein je ponovio 17. lipnja 2018. na Hrvatskoj televiziji,&nbsp;<strong>u emisiji Nedjeljom u 2<\/strong>, gostuju\u0107i kod&nbsp;<strong>Aleksandra Stankovi\u0107a<\/strong>. Koliko je tih strojeva (\u201cdrobilica kostiju\u201d) bilo, i kada i kako im se izgubio svaki trag, Goldstein&nbsp;<strong>nije pojasnio<\/strong>\u201c, nastavlja Geiger.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cNavedenim izjavama o drobilici Goldstein je uskovitlao \u0161iroke narodne mase, kao i pa\u017enju \u201cpo\u0161tene inteligencije\u201d. O\u010dekivalo se da \u0107e u svojoj prvoj znanstvenoj i akribi\u010dno napisanoj knjizi kona\u010dno donijeti konkretne podatke o postojanju navedene&nbsp;<strong>njema\u010dke drobilice<\/strong>&nbsp;u Jasenovcu. No, svi koji su to o\u010dekivali ostali su razo\u010darani\u201d, pi\u0161e dr. Geiger u svojoj&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/hrcak.srce.hr\/index.php?show=clanak&amp;id_clanak_jezik=321788\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">recenziji<\/a>&nbsp;Goldsteineove knjige.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Izvor: narod.hr\/hr.n1info.com<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Povjesni\u010dar Ivo Goldstein gostovao je u Dnevniku N1 Televizije te je govorio o pozdravu \u201cZa dom spremni\u201d. 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